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Friday, May 09, 2008


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Well, I for one will be grateful if you write about it some more when you do. I can already tell that it won't be long before I am wondering how to tackle the same issues, and I am quite daunted by the prospect.

Well, I can tell you for sure that Rob didn't make it up. I remember hearing it (I think it was the first sleazy joke *I* ever heard from an older child) and I think I was about 7, making it 1975 or 1976.

Further thoughts: I'm not worried that O will mutate into a domineering sexist - I'm confident in his empathy and respect for other people. What does concern me from incidents like this is the challenge he faces in learning to be a 'man' with other men - can there be male bonding without positing women (or other groups) as 'the other' to be ridiculed? Is objectification going to be completely intrinsic to how he learns about (hetero)sexuality, a la this joke? Will he find friends and find a place in this culture which don't demand this of him?

(I heard Rob's joke in the early 1970s, and it didn't sound new then.)

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